Perfect Skin for Virtual DJ controlled by a DM2

[Paleface the Nitewalker]

I wonder what the perfect Skin for Virtual DJ to be controlled by a DM2 would look like...
What do you think ?
State your Ideas, wishes, suggestions...

[LastDM2adminDJP]

id like to see umm the jog wheels the same on the skin. and the rest of the buttons to have the feel of dmtwo buttons. and do like the millenium skins where instead of the center silver button make that like the display. or maybe even the display over top the jog wheels like a cdj1000 but definetly make all the buttons like the square indented look

[Paleface the Nitewalker]

Okay, as this thread seams to be overlooked and might be misunderstood to much - let me clear some points...
I wrote skin ... but in my opinion a skin is just as usable as the configuration of a controller is. Or in other words the skin has to cooperate with the controller.
I tried to do this within the "DM2 & external Mixer" setup...
So, how would you like to have it? Any suggestions? What is the way you work?

[thugbear2005]

I'm just gonna post my wish list, as I know some of these features may not be implementable, but here goes. I do a lot of cue point juggling so more than 3 would be great, somewhere around 6 - 8. Also, make the wheels modulate the active effects, pitch, volume, etc. And assigning shortcuts to the loop functions like in/out and +/-

[Paleface the Nitewalker]

So, what do you think about the 4 Mode thing?

[thugbear2005]

I use profile 1 for hotcues, 2 for loops and loop modification, 3 for effects, and 4 for set cues. As for the mixer, I use my mouse to control the internal mixer. I was thinking about buying a cheapish usb mixer for like 100 bucks, but i'm just gonna save up for a vci 100.

[LastDM2adminDJP]

Jan 19, 2010 23:27:47 GMT -5 thugbear2005 said:

I use profile 1 for hotcues, 2 for loops and loop modification, 3 for effects, and 4 for set cues. As for the mixer, I use my mouse to control the internal mixer. I was thinking about buying a cheapish usb mixer for like 100 bucks, but i'm just gonna save up for a vci 100.

vestax sucks. if you want to glorified coasters for 400$ bucks i got something i can give ya. But you want something to dj with either go with torqs all in 1 controller or numark total control. Vestax knows nuts about djing and goes off high end endorsements of over rated djs to sell products. Their electronics are on the level of a cheap in house best buy brand. like ION

however the guy who created this board bought vci-400's but dont hold that against him lol. at the time there wasnt a better controller.

[thugbear2005]

Which torq controller are you talking about? That numark controller looks cheaper than you made the vci sound, granted its $150 less but still. I want something that's gonna last a year or 2. Not to mention touch sensitive jogs. I still have a month or 2 before I actually buy a controller and i'm not spending more that $500 yet.

[LastDM2adminDJP]

i have seen numarks take abuse and people tour with them for 2 years. vci's suffer in my experience interface flaws. I sell em all and i always steer people away from vestax

and torqs controller is the xponent

[thugbear2005]

I'm also looking at the Reloop Digital Jockey 2 but it's kinda hard to find. I don't like that the xponent has a built in sound card because I don't want my midi + audio sharing a usb connection.

[LastDM2adminDJP]

Jan 21, 2010 6:17:08 GMT -5 thugbear2005 said:

I'm also looking at the Reloop Digital Jockey 2 but it's kinda hard to find. I don't like that the xponent has a built in sound card because I don't want my midi + audio sharing a usb connection.

that why you buy torq connectiv to go with the xponent
how the standard setup would be
www.youtube.com/watch?v=43sPO5gLQRI

or an xponent with xternal mixer for comfort reaction purposes
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Donm5sl175M


i prefer controllers with good built in sound devices the whole point of a midi controller is to seperate the whole external side. So the point being to get rid of the mixer. You dont buy a usb controller with a built in mixer to not use it. Cause if you just want to wheels to spin buy timecode vinyl.

Basically if i want 4 decks or 24 decks i can control them all with 2 decks on the digital side so theres no need for a 4 channel mixer anymore unless i bust out the timecode on some 12s and even then you only need 2 channels. If i want to go old school ill bust out the 8 channel and hook up 4 12s and 2 cdjs + a dm2. But thats overkill even with the dm2 you can control 8 decks but i always use a external mixer to simply get past having to use my keyboard and mouse.

basically any soundcard worth buying for djing comes in the form of a USB card. So to say you dont want your audio to go over usb is a little in the past mind set.


A buddy of mine gave me a Numark total control a while back when he bought a xponent and i tell you those are two controllers i have litterally hit with a mack truck and still have zero problems. From my kids spilling stuff on em. To using them to teach beginners. I have had zero problems.

I use both of them with torq connectiv box's but change the torq a-b out put to master 1-2 zones. so i can hook em up to a reciever with a little bit more ease. it came with a numark I/O but i never liked the whole 1 composite output thing. Its just a little pointless.

I tend to when i go through the market decide on 2 products. Best deal for a low price and the best equipment for its price. Numark is the best low price deal and xponent being the best in its class for a reasonable price. But on the real side of equipment like pioneer mixers and technic tables they all just suck on the price for performance ratio. People knock Numark alot and i say hey if i could sell the look of something to make my own quality products cheaper rather then 3x the price like technic and pioneer id do it. Pioneer doesnt sell its design to Behringer but maybe they should and there 1200$ mixers might become a price thats worth it.

like when you buy a ferrari and it has a $981usd - 700 horsepower ratio means your buying a 686,000 dollar car. For the price you could buy a supra with 10 fold the options and more speed. Just one you buy for a name to look cool and the other you buy to use and be cool.

[thugbear2005]

I don't think you understood what I was saying. I don't want a controller with a built in sound card because I don't want my midi signals and my audio signals to share a cable. I fully plan on buying an external sound card when I leave the bedroom, but for now sense I don't mix on my laptop my soundblaster audigy card on my desktop does the job just fine. From my understanding of what I've researched, there are some significant latency issues that come with built in sound cards. In addition to that, controllers with build in cards are generally more expensive than those without, and for the price difference you can get a much better card than you would have gotten on the built in unit. I'm probably gonna get a sound card that connects thru usb or firewire after anyway, so a built in card would be a waste.

[LastDM2adminDJP]

the built in card is a connectiv just not called a connectiv cause its more the output side. and the built in card of the xponent has better latency then any audigy. the issue isnt built in sound cards as much as it is the usb channel.

only controller i can think of that has the issue you are talking about is behringer bcd 2000 and 3000s thats bout it. the difference between a bcd 3000 and a xponent is one is pro audio equipment and other is well just audio equipment.

and the whole latency thing unless like its some crazy delay thats in like large fractions of a second the mind cant register it so it ends up in the ego category. I see latency come more into play on timecode vinyl and how long it takes sometimes for the signal to process. As far as the soundcard latency as i said i never see someone like reverse the wheel a full revolution and a second later you hear it processed. That is only the case when something isnt done right.

using 2 devices only adds to latency in theory.

1 software outputs signal to midi device
2 midi device processes and controlls the input signal
3 midi device then sends the control signal back to software
4 software processes output+input midi signal now sends modified audio signal to soundcard (controlling 3 signals simultaneously)
5 soundcard processes audio and outputs to device

now a midi controller with soundcard
1 software sends signal
2 midi controller controlls signal and sends to internal sound processor
3 sound processor outputs signal

when you think about it its more travel time/ latency for the first rig then the second. most of the controllers that have built in soundcard like the numark are only for headphones not so much receiver output. Cause the point of 90% of the midi controllers is to be a mixer and a deck controller. An what mixer doesnt have a headphone cue.

so if you are that keen on not having a built in soundcard id get a numark total control and like a maya 44 or delta 1010 or something to goto a 2 channel mixer. Then get the modded flashware for the total control so you can adjust everything and it will be nice. and the whole internal thing almost knocks out all the midi mixers. vci gone, hercules gone, behringers gone, not that id buy any of those 3 brands for digital mixers but you get the idea.